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November 02, 2009

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Oilwelldoctor

Dear Mr. Nestmann,

you are indeed correct about US taxes abroad but failed to mention the $85,000 tax credit and a one-to-one deduction of foreign taxes paid against US taxes due. Regardless of the Gestapo tactics the US Treasury has recently used regarding secrecy laws, there are still some good tax havens in small foreign countries; I extensively checked into one last year. Bottom line, my US tax credits more than offset any benefits gained from offshore invoicing for my services (I am an independent consulting engineer working abroad on a day-rate). I would advise anyone seriously considering relinquishing their US citizenship for tax reasons alone to think twice. Also, a US passport still opens many doors that are closed to others.

Mark Nestmann

You are correct about the foreign earned income exclusion, although for 2009 the applicable exclusion is $91,400, not $85,000. However, there is no reason that a US citizen who doesn't live in the United States and doesn't plan to live there should have to deal with US taxes and in particular the onerous consequences of investing in non-US mutual funds or non-US corporations. For these people, and also for truly "accidental" US citizens, expatriation is the only realistic option--unless Congress wises up and changes the law.

j

The 85K (or 91.4K) tax credit applies only to earned income, so it's really not all that great if you have unearned income. If you are running only in earned income, consider that when you earn dollar # 91,401, it is taxed at a rate equivalent to what it would be taxed at back home. In other words, the first "exempt" 91.4K is used to push you into a higher tax bracket, so all dollars above 91.4K are taxed at a much higher rate.

From the article: "And it’s really not that radical, because the United States is one of only two countries that impose tax based on citizenship, rather than residence."

I thought there were 3; the USA, Libya, and N Korea. Did Libya or N. Korea realize that they were too radical in taxing non resident citizens on foreign source income?

If there is only 1 other country, which country is it?

FYI, If N. Korea made me a citizen tomorrow and sent me a tax ill, I wouldn't pay it because I don't live there, and have no income from there. No countries laws apply outside of it's jurisdiction, REGARDLESS of what that countries laws say.

Jeff

I think Australia also has similar taxation based on Citizenship like the USA? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mark Nestmann

Other than the United States, the only other country that permanently taxes its non-resident citizen is Eritrea. To the best of my knowledge, North Korea, Libya, and Australia don't tax on this basis. Australia does impose tax on long-term residents who become non-resident if they retain significant ties to Australia, but only for a limited period of time (two years, I believe).

oldasiahand

Once one gives up their US ciizenship at an embassy does he have to wait for the Certificate of Renunciation from the State Department before notifying the IRS, or does he notify the IRS immediately after visiting the embassy. I am thinking of formally giving up my US passport (which expired 4 years ago)before the end of the year in London. I have not lived in the US for over 25 years.

oldasiahand

Just to let you know, I applied for an interview at the Embassy in London to give up my citizenship. They are sending me a package and telling me the earliest I can have an appointment is mid-May, in 5 months time.

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